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FAQ about Llamas and Alpacas
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William Bagwell
2011-06-27 09:54:09 UTC
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FAQ about Llamas and Alpacas

Q: Where do llamas & alpacas come from?
A: Llamas and alpacas come from Peru, Bolivia, and Chile, in the high plains
areas called the "Altiplano" (elevation: 8,000'-15,000' ). Llamas were first
brought to the United States by William Randolph Hearst in the 1920's for his
personal zoo. Alpacas were imported much more recently, beginning in the '80s.
Llamas and alpacas were domesticated from their wild counterparts, the Guanaco
and Vicuna. 6,000-7,000 years ago by the Quechua Indians and their fiber and
structure were improved by the Incas.

Q: What kind of personality do llamas have?
A: Llamas by nature, are very intelligent, gentle animals. They are
relatively inexpensive to maintain, relatively disease-free, and are
quick,to learn, cooperative, and patient in training. Their quickness to learn
can make them, at times, mischievous.

Q: Do they spit?
A: Yes, they do spit, but usually at each other. This being over
disputes about food primarily. A bred female llama will spit at
advances from a male llama. An over-handled llama, improperly
socialized without other llamas present, will think humans are
llamas and will spit as a normal course of action against the other
"llama". A mistreated or mishandled llama, may also spit at humans.

Q: What do you do with a llama?
A:There are seven main uses for a llama, many compatible in the same
animal.

*A pet and companion
*A sure-footed, alert pack animal
*A source of excellent fiber (similar to alpaca)
*An animal trained to pull a cart
*A show competitor: 4-H Projects, parades
*A competent guard animal, very effective against small predators
*A breeding animal, as a source of income

Q: What's the difference between alpacas and llamas?
A: Size and fiber quality. Llamas were primarily bred to be a beast
of burden, and alpacas were bred primarily as fiber producers. An
average alpaca standing 34"-36" at the withers, where llamas stand
42"-48" at the withers. An adult alpaca will generally produce 5-8#s of high
quality exotic uniformly crimped fiber in a single fiber fleece, each year.

Q: Do llamas produce fiber of high quality? How much do they produce?
A: Llamas are excellent fiber producers too. They usually have a dual fiber
fleece, however, which includes 80-100% fine crimpy fluff and 20-0% straight
coarse guard hair. The fiber is hollow, making it
excellent for creating warm clothing. It is also oil free and has no
inherent odor. The qualities make this fiber a spinner's dream, and it may be
felted as well. The amount of fiber varies from animal to
animal, but an average is about 2-5#s per year. Most llamas would
need shearing every other year, some every year, and some every third year.

Q: Can you ride them?
A: It is not generally recommended to ride llamas, except for small
children. An adult male will reach a weight of between 300 and 450
lbs. and stand 5 to 6 feet tall. They are expected to carry
approximately 1/4 of their body weight, so a rider or load of between 75-115
lbs. may be carried. This weight may be increased to a maximum of 1/3 of their
body weight as they reach top physical conditioning.

Q: Can you take them back-packing?
A: Llamas are great friends to have when you want to head to the high country
for a little camping and back-country trekking. Because of their soft foot (two
toes, with toenails) they leave no scars on the trail. Because they are
modified ruminants, their fecal matter comes as very well digested, almost
odorless pellets. They can usually browse for their food as they go along the
trail. All in all, they fit into the mountain trail or back-country environment
very well.

Q: How much space do they need?
A: Llamas can be maintained in a backyard, however, it is best that
they have a good sized area. Llamas are very athletic and like to run and
play. This could be an acre or two. Llamas are efficient
digesters and usually one horse will graze about as much a 5-7 llamas. They can
easily jump most fences, but train to fences as youngsters and usually don't
jump. A minimum 4' high stock fence is recommended for protection against
feral dogs.

Q: Do they bite or kick?
A: They do not bite or kick like a horse. A human isn't in danger of being
kicked or bitten by a properly socialized and desensitized
animal. They will kick at a fly or something around their back feet, but
because the foot is soft it's just not as dangerous as a horse's kick and isn't
used as a primary self-defense measure.

Q: Is their manure good fertilizer?
A: Their manure is excellent fertilizer and may be applied to the
garden immediately. Because they are not nomadic (stay in an outlined
territory), and mark their territory with their dung piles, they usually wait
to get to a dung pile to defecate or urinate.

Q: Do they get along alright alone?
A: Llamas and alpacas are herding animals, and are most happy when
in the company of other animals, preferring other llamas or alpacas.

Q: Do you have to castrate the males if they won't be used for
breeding?
A: Not every male must be castrated. This is an individual choice
by temperament, and many get along fine without castration. There is some
disagreement among breeders and owners regarding this subject.

Q: Can llamas be used as guards for smaller livestock?
A: Llamas have been used very successfully as guard animals for
sheep, goats, and miniature horses. They are very intelligent and
curious, and have the ability to recognize family pets, neighbors'
pets, and the difference between them and coyotes. Their curious
nature and athletic ability bring them into close proximity to the
coyote, causing the coyote to turn tail. Gelded males are preferred
as guard animals. They work best without other llamas, in this case,
adopting the herd of sheep (goats, miniature horses, cattle) as their "own"
herd.

Q: How long do llamas and alpacas live?
A: Llamas have a life expectancy of approximately 20-25 years.

Q: When do they reach breeding maturity?
A: Breeding capability is reached by 16-24 months. Some breeders
starting females at 12 months (some females will be capable at 9
months), with most breeders waiting until 24 months to allow full
development of the mother's growth. Males usually don't reach sexual potency
until 24 months, with the rare one becoming potent as early as 12 months.

Q: What is the gestation period?
A: The gestation period is 11-1/2 months (350 days average).

Q: When do females stop breeding?
A: Females will breed throughout their life.

Q: How much do the babies weigh when born?
A: Average llama cria (baby) weight is 25 lbs, alpaca crias average
18 lbs. Almost always a single cria birth, twins are very rare.

Q: What is Berserk Male Syndrome? - or - Can llamas or alpacas become
over-bonded or over-handled, and how can this be avoided? What are the results
of this type of over-handling/mistreatment?

A: This syndrome is usually caused by bottle feeding a cria and/or
fondling, playing llama games (bumping, nudging, running with, &
cuddling) while a youngster.

The young llama then bonds so completely with humans that s/he thinks that
humans are llamas too. As s/he grows, s/he begins to play rougher and rougher,
until he becomes unmanageable and (not she here) quite dangerous. Females will
develop the same bond, but their activities don't include chest-ramming and
"serious" conflict, but very well may include frequent spitting at humans and a
general difficulty in handling.

**CAUTION: This phenomena can become VERY serious and many times
ends with the (male) llama being euthanized. Once they reach
adulthood, turning back is very difficult and requires intensive
training. **If you have a cria that requires bottle feeding,
immediately consult an experienced llama handler for explicit
instructions how to avoid BMS. -or- If you have a young animal that is
"pushy" affectionate, beware. This is usually the beginning of difficult
behavior and will more than likely develop into "nasty"
behavior. Steps should be taken immediately to redirect any pushy
behavior.

Notes:

Compiled and edited by Michael Shealy. With input from many others.
Maintained by William Bagwell.

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David V.
2011-09-10 02:00:57 UTC
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Nice to know someone is still alive.
--
Dave

"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is
putting on its shoes."
Mark Twain
s***@gmail.com
2011-09-10 08:28:33 UTC
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Post by David V.
Nice to know someone is still alive.
--
Dave
"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is
putting on its shoes."
Mark Twain
We are still out here, but lots of things happening, especially
weather related. Right now I am in CA (and sick of it, ready to
leave!). Folks are at shows again this weekend in the SE, NC and
AL. I'm stuck here. Susan Gs baby got a Grand in TN in May and
Susan S girl (a PPR animal)got a Grand and Reserve last week and the
other Grand and Reserve was also a PPR bred animal. The regional show
and the fall show are going to be ALSA shows. It is likely that shows
next year will be open shows. Rumor has it that one of the board
members will be coming to the regional show. The same person tried to
use his "influence" to persuade the super of the AL show to change the
judge, but she stuck by her guns. So see Dave, it may be quiet on the
group, but we're still here.
Susan R
Randy
2011-09-10 12:55:03 UTC
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Post by David V.
Nice to know someone is still alive.
--
Dave
I'm still here also.
enigma
2011-09-11 23:23:57 UTC
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Post by Randy
Post by David V.
Nice to know someone is still alive.
I'm still here also.
yup, me too. down to one llama (new idiot neighbors that think they
don't need to restrain their dogs.i got a shotgun that says otherwise.
lost 6 hens, my rare breed rooster & my oldest llama)
lee
s***@gmail.com
2011-09-12 12:49:28 UTC
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Post by enigma
Post by Randy
Post by David V.
Nice to know someone is still alive.
I'm still here also.
yup, me too. down to one llama (new idiot neighbors that think they
don't need to restrain their dogs.i got a shotgun that says otherwise.
lost 6 hens, my rare breed rooster & my oldest llama)
lee
I hope you didn't lose them to dogs. It's a problem often solved by
shotgun or rifle. We have a neighbor who had (past tense) two dogs
that would cross the street and chase another neighbor's pregnant
cows. After several warnings, the cows started calving and the farmer
shot the dogs. I don't blame him, he was right to protect his
livestock.
On a brighter note, at the NC show this past weekend, Susan G's adult
female took a grand and her yearling took a reserve. Susan S has my
Count and is having a ball with him. He won the driving championship
and placed nicely in performance in a tough class. I don't know how
many llamas were at the show, I do know that they filled all the
stalls allotted to them.
Susan R
David V.
2011-09-13 03:00:21 UTC
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The first "country" thing I learned was SSS. Shoot. Shovel.
Silence. If a dog is harassing your livestock, shoot it, bury it,
and say nothing.
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Post by enigma
Post by Randy
Post by David V.
Nice to know someone is still alive.
I'm still here also.
yup, me too. down to one llama (new idiot neighbors that think they
don't need to restrain their dogs.i got a shotgun that says otherwise.
lost 6 hens, my rare breed rooster& my oldest llama)
lee
I hope you didn't lose them to dogs. It's a problem often solved by
shotgun or rifle. We have a neighbor who had (past tense) two dogs
that would cross the street and chase another neighbor's pregnant
cows. After several warnings, the cows started calving and the farmer
shot the dogs. I don't blame him, he was right to protect his
livestock.
On a brighter note, at the NC show this past weekend, Susan G's adult
female took a grand and her yearling took a reserve. Susan S has my
Count and is having a ball with him. He won the driving championship
and placed nicely in performance in a tough class. I don't know how
many llamas were at the show, I do know that they filled all the
stalls allotted to them.
Susan R
--
Dave

"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is
putting on its shoes."
Mark Twain
enigma
2011-10-01 19:17:14 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
I hope you didn't lose them to dogs. It's a problem often solved
by shotgun or rifle. We have a neighbor who had (past tense) two
dogs that would cross the street and chase another neighbor's
pregnant cows. After several warnings, the cows started calving
and the farmer shot the dogs. I don't blame him, he was right to
protect his livestock.
yes, idiot neighbor has a pair of really nasty Labs (one black & one
yellow). the *first* time i met them they were in my driveway. as
soon as i walked out the door, their heads went down, the hackles
went up, they got stiff-legged, snarling & started staring... i went
right back inside.
i do lose a couple chickens to a fox every so often, and i accept
that is my fault for free ranging them, but at least the fox eats the
chickens. the dogs just kill them.they got into the coop during the
day.
the llama was Junifer, who was 20, but had just been seen by the vet
for her vaxs and pronounced "amazingly healthy" for her age. in fact
the vet was wondering if i had her age wrong. a week later she was
dead. yup, the dogs.
and they were in the pasture again a couple weeks ago. i heard them,
& went out, but it was rainy & moonless. i did see the yellow lab,
but too far for a clear shot. couldn't see the black one at all.
since Juni died neither the goats or Sally go very far from the
barn. they only go out for a very short time each day unless i force
them out & shut the door. they still just hang out under the loafing
area. they don't go the other shed or over the hill at all anymore.
my son wants sheep, but not until the dogs are taken care of. he'd
be devastated if his lambs were killed.
Post by s***@gmail.com
On a brighter note, at the NC show this past weekend, Susan G's
adult female took a grand and her yearling took a reserve. Susan
S has my Count and is having a ball with him. He won the driving
championship and placed nicely in performance in a tough class. I
don't know how many llamas were at the show, I do know that they
filled all the stalls allotted to them.
i wish we had more llama/alpaca shows up here. i'm debating looking
for some rescue alpacas to keep Sally company. she has the goats, but
they're 10 years old & Sally is 15. she'll outlive them...
lee
Bruce Atchison - author
2011-10-22 02:10:36 UTC
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Thanks for that interesting post. I live on the edge of a hamlet but I have
trouble with dogs crapping on my lawn. My 2 house rabbits live indoors but I
still worry about my own safety when I walk to get the mail. I bought a
Dazer but it doesn't seem to have much effect.

I haven't heard of any llama shows in central Alberta where I live, but I
would love to attend one. Maybe I'll meet some folks with llamas when I
hold my book fair on November 26th. If I do and they know of a show nearby,
I'll try to be there with my camera.

Sincerely,

Bruce Atchison - author of When a Man Loves a Rabbit and Deliverance from
Jericho.

www.bruceatchison.blogspot.com

George
2011-09-14 05:26:55 UTC
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Post by enigma
yup, me too. down to one llama (new idiot neighbors that think they
don't need to restrain their dogs.i got a shotgun that says otherwise.
lost 6 hens, my rare breed rooster & my oldest llama)
lee
I don't know if you've been around long enough to remember how Randy
dealt with "the idiot cow people"---he left the state!

George
Randy
2011-09-16 10:29:17 UTC
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Post by George
I don't know if you've been around long enough to remember how Randy
dealt with "the idiot cow people"---he left the state!
George
I'd forgotten all about the idiot cow people.
William Bagwell
2011-09-12 00:06:54 UTC
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Post by David V.
Nice to know someone is still alive.
Yes, and I am going to *try* to remember to post the FAQ each June for several
more years. If I keep it up long enough the hipster / nostalgia crowd will
eventually find us... Right? :)
--
William
Bruce Atchison - author
2011-09-28 02:00:54 UTC
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I'm glad you folks are still here. The FAQ is interesting as well. Though
I don't have llamas and alpacas, I like hearing about them. They're two of
the most beautiful types of animals I've ever seen.

Sincerely,

Bruce Atchison - author of When a Man Loves a Rabbit and Deliverance from
Jericho.

www.bruceatchison.blogspot.com
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