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William Bagwell
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FAQ about Llamas and Alpacas

Q: Where do llamas & alpacas come from?
A: Llamas and alpacas come from Peru, Bolivia, and Chile, in the high plains
areas called the "Altiplano" (elevation: 8,000'-15,000' ). Llamas were first
brought to the United States by William Randolph Hearst in the 1920's for his
personal zoo. Alpacas were imported much more recently, beginning in the '80s.
Llamas and alpacas were domesticated from their wild counterparts, the Guanaco
and Vicuna. 6,000-7,000 years ago by the Quechua Indians and their fiber and
structure were improved by the Incas.

Q: What kind of personality do llamas have?
A: Llamas by nature, are very intelligent, gentle animals. They are
relatively inexpensive to maintain, relatively disease-free, and are
quick,to learn, cooperative, and patient in training. Their quickness to learn
can make them, at times, mischievous.

Q: Do they spit?
A: Yes, they do spit, but usually at each other. This being over
disputes about food primarily. A bred female llama will spit at
advances from a male llama. An over-handled llama, improperly
socialized without other llamas present, will think humans are
llamas and will spit as a normal course of action against the other
"llama". A mistreated or mishandled llama, may also spit at humans.

Q: What do you do with a llama?
A:There are seven main uses for a llama, many compatible in the same
animal.

*A pet and companion
*A sure-footed, alert pack animal
*A source of excellent fiber (similar to alpaca)
*An animal trained to pull a cart
*A show competitor: 4-H Projects, parades
*A competent guard animal, very effective against small predators
*A breeding animal, as a source of income

Q: What's the difference between alpacas and llamas?
A: Size and fiber quality. Llamas were primarily bred to be a beast
of burden, and alpacas were bred primarily as fiber producers. An
average alpaca standing 34"-36" at the withers, where llamas stand
42"-48" at the withers. An adult alpaca will generally produce 5-8#s of high
quality exotic uniformly crimped fiber in a single fiber fleece, each year.

Q: Do llamas produce fiber of high quality? How much do they produce?
A: Llamas are excellent fiber producers too. They usually have a dual fiber
fleece, however, which includes 80-100% fine crimpy fluff and 20-0% straight
coarse guard hair. The fiber is hollow, making it
excellent for creating warm clothing. It is also oil free and has no
inherent odor. The qualities make this fiber a spinner's dream, and it may be
felted as well. The amount of fiber varies from animal to
animal, but an average is about 2-5#s per year. Most llamas would
need shearing every other year, some every year, and some every third year.

Q: Can you ride them?
A: It is not generally recommended to ride llamas, except for small
children. An adult male will reach a weight of between 300 and 450
lbs. and stand 5 to 6 feet tall. They are expected to carry
approximately 1/4 of their body weight, so a rider or load of between 75-115
lbs. may be carried. This weight may be increased to a maximum of 1/3 of their
body weight as they reach top physical conditioning.

Q: Can you take them back-packing?
A: Llamas are great friends to have when you want to head to the high country
for a little camping and back-country trekking. Because of their soft foot (two
toes, with toenails) they leave no scars on the trail. Because they are
modified ruminants, their fecal matter comes as very well digested, almost
odorless pellets. They can usually browse for their food as they go along the
trail. All in all, they fit into the mountain trail or back-country environment
very well.

Q: How much space do they need?
A: Llamas can be maintained in a backyard, however, it is best that
they have a good sized area. Llamas are very athletic and like to run and
play. This could be an acre or two. Llamas are efficient
digesters and usually one horse will graze about as much a 5-7 llamas. They can
easily jump most fences, but train to fences as youngsters and usually don't
jump. A minimum 4' high stock fence is recommended for protection against
feral dogs.

Q: Do they bite or kick?
A: They do not bite or kick like a horse. A human isn't in danger of being
kicked or bitten by a properly socialized and desensitized
animal. They will kick at a fly or something around their back feet, but
because the foot is soft it's just not as dangerous as a horse's kick and isn't
used as a primary self-defense measure.

Q: Is their manure good fertilizer?
A: Their manure is excellent fertilizer and may be applied to the
garden immediately. Because they are not nomadic (stay in an outlined
territory), and mark their territory with their dung piles, they usually wait
to get to a dung pile to defecate or urinate.

Q: Do they get along alright alone?
A: Llamas and alpacas are herding animals, and are most happy when
in the company of other animals, preferring other llamas or alpacas.

Q: Do you have to castrate the males if they won't be used for
breeding?
A: Not every male must be castrated. This is an individual choice
by temperament, and many get along fine without castration. There is some
disagreement among breeders and owners regarding this subject.

Q: Can llamas be used as guards for smaller livestock?
A: Llamas have been used very successfully as guard animals for
sheep, goats, and miniature horses. They are very intelligent and
curious, and have the ability to recognize family pets, neighbors'
pets, and the difference between them and coyotes. Their curious
nature and athletic ability bring them into close proximity to the
coyote, causing the coyote to turn tail. Gelded males are preferred
as guard animals. They work best without other llamas, in this case,
adopting the herd of sheep (goats, miniature horses, cattle) as their "own"
herd.

Q: How long do llamas and alpacas live?
A: Llamas have a life expectancy of approximately 20-25 years.

Q: When do they reach breeding maturity?
A: Breeding capability is reached by 16-24 months. Some breeders
starting females at 12 months (some females will be capable at 9
months), with most breeders waiting until 24 months to allow full
development of the mother's growth. Males usually don't reach sexual potency
until 24 months, with the rare one becoming potent as early as 12 months.

Q: What is the gestation period?
A: The gestation period is 11-1/2 months (350 days average).

Q: When do females stop breeding?
A: Females will breed throughout their life.

Q: How much do the babies weigh when born?
A: Average llama cria (baby) weight is 25 lbs, alpaca crias average
18 lbs. Almost always a single cria birth, twins are very rare.

Q: What is Berserk Male Syndrome? - or - Can llamas or alpacas become
over-bonded or over-handled, and how can this be avoided? What are the results
of this type of over-handling/mistreatment?

A: This syndrome is usually caused by bottle feeding a cria and/or
fondling, playing llama games (bumping, nudging, running with, &
cuddling) while a youngster.

The young llama then bonds so completely with humans that s/he thinks that
humans are llamas too. As s/he grows, s/he begins to play rougher and rougher,
until he becomes unmanageable and (not she here) quite dangerous. Females will
develop the same bond, but their activities don't include chest-ramming and
"serious" conflict, but very well may include frequent spitting at humans and a
general difficulty in handling.

**CAUTION: This phenomena can become VERY serious and many times
ends with the (male) llama being euthanized. Once they reach
adulthood, turning back is very difficult and requires intensive
training. **If you have a cria that requires bottle feeding,
immediately consult an experienced llama handler for explicit
instructions how to avoid BMS. -or- If you have a young animal that is
"pushy" affectionate, beware. This is usually the beginning of difficult
behavior and will more than likely develop into "nasty"
behavior. Steps should be taken immediately to redirect any pushy
behavior.

Notes:

Compiled and edited by Michael Shealy. With input from many others.
Maintained by William Bagwell.

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Randy
2009-06-27 00:36:59 UTC
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FAQ about Llamas and Alpacas
Q: Where do llamas & alpacas come from?
A: Llamas and alpacas come from Peru, Bolivia, and Chile, in the high plains
areas called the "Altiplano" (elevation: 8,000'-15,000' ). Llamas were first
brought to the United States by William Randolph Hearst in the 1920's for his
personal zoo.  Alpacas were imported much more recently, beginning in the '80s.
Llamas and alpacas were domesticated from their wild counterparts, the Guanaco
and Vicuna. 6,000-7,000 years ago by the Quechua Indians and their fiber and
structure were improved by the Incas.
Q: What kind of personality do llamas have?
A: Llamas by nature, are very intelligent, gentle animals. They are
relatively inexpensive to maintain, relatively disease-free, and are
quick,to learn, cooperative, and patient in training. Their quickness to learn
can make them, at times, mischievous.
Q: Do they spit?
A: Yes, they do spit, but usually at each other.  This being over
disputes about food primarily.  A bred female llama will spit at
advances from a male llama.  An over-handled llama, improperly
socialized without other llamas present, will think humans are
llamas and will spit as a normal course of action against the other
"llama".  A mistreated or mishandled llama, may also spit at humans.
Q: What do you do with a llama?
A:There are seven main uses for a llama, many compatible in the same
animal.
*A pet and companion
*A sure-footed, alert pack animal
*A source of excellent fiber (similar to alpaca)
*An animal trained to pull a cart
*A show competitor: 4-H Projects, parades
*A competent guard animal, very effective against small predators
*A breeding animal, as a source of income
Q: What's the difference between alpacas and llamas?
A: Size and fiber quality.  Llamas were primarily bred to be a beast
of burden, and alpacas were bred primarily as fiber producers.  An
average alpaca standing 34"-36" at the withers, where llamas stand
42"-48" at the withers.  An adult alpaca will generally produce 5-8#s of high
quality exotic uniformly crimped fiber in a single fiber fleece, each year.
Q: Do llamas produce fiber of high quality?  How much do they produce?
A: Llamas are excellent fiber producers too. They usually have a dual fiber
fleece, however, which includes 80-100% fine crimpy fluff and 20-0% straight
coarse guard hair. The fiber is hollow, making it
excellent for creating warm clothing. It is also oil free and has no
inherent odor. The qualities make this fiber a spinner's dream, and it may be
felted as well. The amount of fiber varies from animal to
animal, but an average is about 2-5#s per year.  Most llamas would
need shearing every other year, some every year, and some every third year.
Q: Can you ride them?
A: It is not generally recommended to ride llamas, except for small
children.  An adult male will reach a weight of between 300 and 450
lbs. and stand 5 to 6 feet tall. They are expected to carry
approximately 1/4 of their body weight, so a rider or load of between 75-115
lbs. may be carried. This weight may be increased to a maximum of 1/3 of their
body weight as they reach top physical conditioning.
Q: Can you take them back-packing?
A: Llamas are great friends to have when you want to head to the high country
for a little camping and back-country trekking. Because of their soft foot (two
toes, with toenails) they leave no scars on the trail. Because they are
modified ruminants, their fecal matter comes as very well digested, almost
odorless pellets. They can usually browse for their food as they go along the
trail. All in all, they fit into the mountain trail or back-country environment
very well.
Q: How much space do they need?
A: Llamas can be maintained in a backyard, however, it is best that
they have a good sized area.  Llamas are very athletic and like to run and
play.  This could be an acre or two.  Llamas are efficient
digesters and usually one horse will graze about as much a 5-7 llamas. They can
easily jump most fences, but train to fences as youngsters and usually don't
jump.  A minimum 4' high stock fence is recommended for protection against
feral dogs.
Q: Do they bite or kick?
A: They do not bite or kick like a horse.  A human isn't in danger of being
kicked or bitten by a properly socialized and desensitized
animal.  They will kick at a fly or something around their back feet, but
because the foot is soft it's just not as dangerous as a horse's kick and isn't
used as a primary self-defense measure.
Q:  Is their manure good fertilizer?
A:  Their manure is excellent fertilizer and may be applied to the
garden immediately. Because they are not nomadic (stay in an outlined
territory), and mark their territory with their dung piles, they usually wait
to get to a dung pile to defecate or urinate.
Q:  Do they get along alright alone?
A:  Llamas and alpacas are herding animals, and are most happy when
in the company of other animals, preferring other llamas or alpacas.
Q:  Do you have to castrate the males if they won't be used for
breeding?
A:  Not every male must be castrated.  This is an individual choice
by temperament, and many get along fine without castration.  There is some
disagreement among breeders and owners regarding this subject.
Q:  Can llamas be used as guards for smaller livestock?
A:  Llamas have been used very successfully as guard animals for
sheep, goats, and miniature horses. They are very intelligent and
curious, and have the ability to recognize family pets, neighbors'
pets, and the difference between them and coyotes. Their curious
nature and athletic ability bring them into close proximity to the
coyote, causing the coyote to turn tail.  Gelded males are preferred
as guard animals. They work best without other llamas, in this case,
adopting the herd of sheep (goats, miniature horses, cattle) as their "own"
herd.
Q:  How long do llamas and alpacas live?
A:  Llamas have a life expectancy of approximately 20-25 years.
Q:  When do they reach breeding maturity?
A:  Breeding capability is reached by 16-24 months.  Some breeders
starting females at 12 months (some females will be capable at 9
months), with most breeders waiting until 24 months to allow full
development of the mother's growth.  Males usually don't reach sexual potency
until 24 months, with the rare one becoming potent as early as 12 months.
Q:  What is the gestation period?
A:  The gestation period is 11-1/2 months (350 days average).
Q:  When do females stop breeding?
A:  Females will breed throughout their life.
Q:  How much do the babies weigh when born?
A:  Average llama cria (baby) weight is 25 lbs, alpaca crias average
18 lbs.  Almost always a single cria birth, twins are very rare.
Q:  What is Berserk Male Syndrome? - or - Can llamas or alpacas become
over-bonded or over-handled, and how can this be avoided? What are the results
of this type of over-handling/mistreatment?
A:  This syndrome is usually caused by bottle feeding a cria and/or
fondling, playing llama games (bumping, nudging, running with, &
cuddling) while a youngster.
The young llama then bonds so completely with humans that s/he thinks that
humans are llamas too.  As s/he grows, s/he begins to play rougher and rougher,
until he becomes unmanageable and (not she here) quite dangerous.  Females will
develop the same bond, but their activities don't include chest-ramming and
"serious" conflict, but very well may include frequent spitting at humans and a
general difficulty in handling.
**CAUTION: This phenomena can become VERY serious and many times
ends with the (male) llama being euthanized.  Once they reach
adulthood, turning back is very difficult and requires intensive
training.  **If you have a cria that requires bottle feeding,
immediately consult an experienced llama handler for explicit
instructions how to avoid BMS.  -or-  If you have a young animal that is
"pushy" affectionate, beware.  This is usually the beginning of difficult
behavior and will more than likely develop into "nasty"
behavior.  Steps should be taken immediately to redirect any pushy
behavior.
Compiled and edited by Michael Shealy.  With input from many others.
Maintained by William Bagwell.
If you are reading this from Google because your ISP does not carry
alt.animals.llama please call or e-mail and ask them to add it to their
newsgroups list. Thanks!
Please post all questions, comments, or suggestions concerning this FAQ to the
newsgroup alt.animals.llama for all to see and comment on. However, in the
event you need to contact me, please find a recent post and use the address in
the "Reply-to" header. The "From" address used in this post will be disabled
soon.
William. You still exist.

Randy
William Bagwell
2009-06-27 10:30:19 UTC
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Post by Randy
William. You still exist.
Just barely... Remembered it was June and time to post the FAQ to alt.answers
and news.answers. Probably a total waste of time since I doubt anyone still
reads either group. Had to wait in queue for over a year and jump through all
sorts of hoops way back when to get permission to post to those groups so I am
reluctant to give up.
--
William
Randy
2009-06-27 11:56:36 UTC
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Post by William Bagwell
William.  You still exist.
Just barely... Remembered it was June and time to post the FAQ to alt.answers
and news.answers. Probably a total waste of time since I doubt anyone still
reads either group. Had to wait in queue for over a year and jump through all
sorts of hoops way back when to get permission to post to those groups so I am
reluctant to give up.
--
William
It's good to see you post even if it's just the usual faqs.
What's new in your little world ?

Randy
William Bagwell
2010-06-27 23:31:52 UTC
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Post by Randy
Post by William Bagwell
William.  You still exist.
Just barely... Remembered it was June and time to post the FAQ to alt.answers
and news.answers. Probably a total waste of time since I doubt anyone still
reads either group. Had to wait in queue for over a year and jump through all
sorts of hoops way back when to get permission to post to those groups so I am
reluctant to give up.
It's good to see you post even if it's just the usual faqs.
What's new in your little world ?
And it is June again, damn how time flies! Sorry to hear about Mr. Bojangles,
he was one of your sweet ones if I remember correctly. Were llamaless and have
been for almost two years. Dia, our mean (that's putting it politely) female
outlived them all. Still read usenet almost daily just don't contribute much
obviously. Helped one of the llama mailing lists move from an Lsoft ListServe
to a Mailman list. Few bumps along the way but the other members are happy to
be saving over $200 per year. Other than computer related questions and
occasional off topic threads I don't post much there either.

Guess I will go post the FAQ one more time.
--
William
George
2010-06-29 07:59:46 UTC
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Hot dang, it's just like the good ol' days! We haven't seen this much
action here in quite some time. There were only two news groups that I
really kept up with and this was by far the smaller of the two. Now,
even the other group seems to be taking it's last few pitiful gasps.
Maybe one of us will have the honor of making the final usenet post.
My llamas were pack animals and as I started having hip problems (2 1/2
hip replacements plus an additional hip surgery just for the heck of it
all in a year and a half!) the llamas just stayed penned up. One died
awhile back and I gave the other to my neighbor. Just last week My
neighbor told me that my last llama died over the winter.
The llamas are gone and usenet is ailing, it's the end of an era. I'll
keep checking on you guys as long as I see any traffic here.

George
Post by William Bagwell
Post by Randy
Post by William Bagwell
Post by Randy
William. You still exist.
Just barely... Remembered it was June and time to post the FAQ to alt.answers
and news.answers. Probably a total waste of time since I doubt anyone still
reads either group. Had to wait in queue for over a year and jump through all
sorts of hoops way back when to get permission to post to those groups so I am
reluctant to give up.
It's good to see you post even if it's just the usual faqs.
What's new in your little world ?
And it is June again, damn how time flies! Sorry to hear about Mr. Bojangles,
he was one of your sweet ones if I remember correctly. Were llamaless and have
been for almost two years. Dia, our mean (that's putting it politely) female
outlived them all. Still read usenet almost daily just don't contribute much
obviously. Helped one of the llama mailing lists move from an Lsoft ListServe
to a Mailman list. Few bumps along the way but the other members are happy to
be saving over $200 per year. Other than computer related questions and
occasional off topic threads I don't post much there either.
Guess I will go post the FAQ one more time.
Randy
2010-07-01 16:39:26 UTC
Permalink
Hot dang, it's just like the good ol' days!  We haven't seen this much
action here in quite some time.  There were only two news groups that I
really kept up with and this was by far the smaller of the two.  Now,
even the other group seems to be taking it's last few pitiful gasps.
Maybe one of us will have the honor of making the final usenet post.
My llamas were pack animals and as I started having hip problems (2 1/2
hip replacements plus an additional hip surgery just for the heck of it
all in a year and a half!) the llamas just stayed penned up.  One died
awhile back and I gave the other to my neighbor.  Just last week My
neighbor told me that my last llama died over the winter.
The llamas are gone and usenet is ailing, it's the end of an era.  I'll
keep checking on you guys as long as I see any traffic here.
George
Good to see both you and William still around.
Sorry to hear bout your hips and your llamas.

Post more often or email me. Both of you.

Randy
George
2010-07-01 19:39:00 UTC
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Hi Randy,
even though the llamas are gone I still have an interest in them so I
will keep checking in. I also get email from the Llamapacking Yahoo
group ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Llamapacking/ ) and see that David
has become fairly active on that list. It's a far different list that
discourages chit-chat and stays firmly focused on llamas/llamapacking.
That group got pretty slow for a couple of years but seems to be
rebounding a bit now. Some of the formerly most active members of that
group have reduced their herds down to the oldsters who will finish out
their years keeping the grass mowed. There are just enough left to keep
that group going for awhile.
I miss reading about your adventures there on the Missouri frontier!
Any more packs of wild dogs?...bears?...snakes?...guineas?...chupacabras :)?
George
Post by Randy
Post by George
Hot dang, it's just like the good ol' days! We haven't seen this much
action here in quite some time. There were only two news groups that I
really kept up with and this was by far the smaller of the two. Now,
even the other group seems to be taking it's last few pitiful gasps.
Maybe one of us will have the honor of making the final usenet post.
My llamas were pack animals and as I started having hip problems (2 1/2
hip replacements plus an additional hip surgery just for the heck of it
all in a year and a half!) the llamas just stayed penned up. One died
awhile back and I gave the other to my neighbor. Just last week My
neighbor told me that my last llama died over the winter.
The llamas are gone and usenet is ailing, it's the end of an era. I'll
keep checking on you guys as long as I see any traffic here.
George
Good to see both you and William still around.
Sorry to hear bout your hips and your llamas.
Post more often or email me. Both of you.
Randy
Randy
2010-07-02 00:17:37 UTC
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Things have been almost quiet here the past month or so.
Had a real sick old dog but she finally recovered.
Got an odd disease thats killed some of our cats. It's called bobcat
tick fever. 95% of domestic cats that get it die even with
treatment.

Not sure I would like a group that discourages idle chit chat. After
all
isn't that what this is all about ?

We're looking for some more goats and have some good leads to chase
down on that. Goats keep me off the tractor and thas always a good
thing with our steep hills.

Randy
Post by George
Hi Randy,
even though the llamas are gone I still have an interest in them so I
will keep checking in.  I also get email from the Llamapacking Yahoo
group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Llamapacking/) and see that David
has become fairly active on that list.  It's a far different list that
discourages chit-chat and stays firmly focused on llamas/llamapacking.
That group got pretty slow for a couple of years but seems to be
rebounding a bit now.  Some of the formerly most active members of that
group have reduced their herds down to the oldsters who will finish out
their years keeping the grass mowed.  There are just enough left to keep
  that group going for awhile.
I miss reading about your adventures there on the Missouri frontier!
Any more packs of wild dogs?...bears?...snakes?...guineas?...chupacabras :)?
George
enigma
2010-07-04 22:59:33 UTC
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Post by Randy
We're looking for some more goats and have some good leads to
chase down on that. Goats keep me off the tractor and thas
always a good thing with our steep hills.
heh. i have twin Oberhausi-Alpines you can have. they hate men &
children. i don't have any problems with either one but boy do they
give my SO & son a hard time (kiddo's treehouse is in the pasture &
he carries a buggy whip to go play).
sorry to hear about Bojangles. Russian died in December. i guess his
heart gave out, as he's never been either smart or healthy. i still
have Junifer (21 years), Sally (17 years) & Sally's son, Cisco (8
years). Cisco managed to sprain both back legs in late winter, so
he's a bit wobbly in the back end. he tries to pronk & about falls
over. i keep telling him he needs to rest those legs, not keep
hopping around like a cria, but he doesn't listen :p
lee
Randy
2010-07-06 22:29:59 UTC
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Post by enigma
heh. i have twin Oberhausi-Alpines you can have. they hate men &
children. i don't have any problems with either one but boy do they
give my SO & son a hard time (kiddo's treehouse is in the pasture &
he carries a buggy whip to go play).
 sorry to hear about Bojangles. Russian died in December. i guess his
heart gave out, as he's never been either smart or healthy. i still
have Junifer (21 years), Sally (17 years) & Sally's son, Cisco (8
years). Cisco managed to sprain both back legs in late winter, so
he's a bit wobbly in the back end. he tries to pronk & about falls
over. i keep telling him he needs to rest those legs, not keep
hopping around like a cria, but he doesn't listen :p
lee
Nah, don't need any more critters that hate men. We picked up a few
more
does today and we get a new buck Thursday.

Sorry to hear about Russian.

Good to hear you are still around. I spot your posts on the rural
group from
time to time.
Susan Gawarecki
2010-07-14 02:27:11 UTC
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Hi All,

The 2 Susan's are still around. I'm breeding the occasional llama and
showing 5-6 times a year, my herd numbers 14 now. I've trained Nike to
drive, but she's a bit temperamental (emphasis on the "mental") yet.
I'm hoping she starts loving to get off the farm and see new scenery.

My newest baby is 3.5 months old, all black except for white hash marks
on her cheeks, just like her red/white appy daddy. I think it means
she's a genetic calico. Ixchel is a pistol--she loves to tear around
the field. I sure wish she had a buddy the same age.

Dealing with hot weather here in Tennessee, though we just got some much
needed rain.

Barn cats, dogs & guineas doing well, but had a brief and unsuccessful
attempt at raising up four heritage Royal Palm turkeys... they didn't
survive the weekend that the boyfriend had to care for them. :-(

More later,
Susan G
Randy
2010-07-14 20:55:45 UTC
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Hi All,
The 2 Susan's are still around.  I'm breeding the occasional llama and
showing 5-6 times a year, my herd numbers 14 now.  I've trained Nike to
drive, but she's a bit temperamental (emphasis on the "mental") yet.
I'm hoping she starts loving to get off the farm and see new scenery.
My newest baby is 3.5 months old, all black except for white hash marks
on her cheeks, just like her red/white appy daddy.  I think it means
she's a genetic calico.  Ixchel is a pistol--she loves to tear around
the field.  I sure wish she had a buddy the same age.
Dealing with hot weather here in Tennessee, though we just got some much
needed rain.
Barn cats, dogs & guineas doing well, but had a brief and unsuccessful
attempt at raising up four heritage Royal Palm turkeys... they didn't
survive the weekend that the boyfriend had to care for them. :-(
More later,
Susan G
OK, what happened to the turkeys ?
Susan Gawarecki
2010-07-15 19:47:14 UTC
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OK, what happened to the turkeys ?
I went out of town for the weekend. The boyfriend SWEARS the 4 turkeys
were in the coop, but that he only latched the upper latch (the door is
warped out about 2 inches at the bottom, hence 2 latches). The next
morning there were no turkeys in the coop. However, there was no sign
of struggle in or near the coop, and adolescent turkeys wouldn't have
slipped out a 2-in gap. My guess is that he left them out overnight and
a dog, possibly mine (he has a bad habit of letting the dogs run when
I'm not around) chased and killed them. I found all 4 in a small patch
of woods near the house, so they may have flown into the woods and
struck trees, or the dog may have dragged them there. At any rate, my
brown dog knew where they were, and that's suspicious to me. One was
alive when I found it, but died in my arms as we tried to give it some
water.

My guineas seem hardier and slightly smarter, so I may limit my poultry
to what is working well. Still, I was furious and upset, as I'd put a
lot of time and energy into nursing those poults almost to adulthood.

Susan G
Randy
2010-07-16 21:16:18 UTC
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OK, what happened to the turkeys ?
I went out of town for the weekend.  The boyfriend SWEARS the 4 turkeys
were in the coop, but that he only latched the upper latch (the door is
warped out about 2 inches at the bottom, hence 2 latches).  The next
morning there were no turkeys in the coop.  However, there was no sign
of struggle in or near the coop, and adolescent turkeys wouldn't have
slipped out a 2-in gap.  My guess is that he left them out overnight and
a dog, possibly mine (he has a bad habit of letting the dogs run when
I'm not around) chased and killed them.  I found all 4 in a small patch
of woods near the house, so they may have flown into the woods and
struck trees, or the dog may have dragged them there.  At any rate, my
brown dog knew where they were, and that's suspicious to me.  One was
alive when I found it, but died in my arms as we tried to give it some
water.
My guineas seem hardier and slightly smarter, so I may limit my poultry
to what is working well.  Still, I was furious and upset, as I'd put a
lot of time and energy into nursing those poults almost to adulthood.
Susan G
That sucks about the turkeys.
enigma
2010-07-15 12:33:38 UTC
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Nah, don't need any more critters that hate men. We picked up a
few more
does today and we get a new buck Thursday.
i'd like to get a couple Pygmies or Pygoras. i like little goats.
Pima, the Best Goat Ever, was a Pygmy/Dwarf Nubian cross.
Post by Randy
Sorry to hear about Russian.
yeah, he wasn't so bad if you worked around his stupidity. last
spring when i sheared he was silver under the black. that was a big
surprise.
Post by Randy
Good to hear you are still around. I spot your posts on the rural
group from
time to time.
i'm such a troll...
lee
Andrea Hammond
2010-07-16 01:09:36 UTC
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Hi Randy,
I've always wanted a Llama to share the pasture with my 2 horses and 2
goats. I don't know if they would accept a llama because they are so
spoiled. What do you think?
Andrea in Indiana
enigma
2010-07-16 16:35:00 UTC
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Hi Randy,
I've always wanted a Llama to share the pasture with my 2 horses
and 2 goats. I don't know if they would accept a llama because
they are so spoiled. What do you think?
most horses are afraid of llamas. if you introduced them gradually
they'd probably be ok. goats & llamas get along just fine.
lee
Susan Gawarecki
2010-07-16 19:53:37 UTC
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People report mixed results keeping llamas and horses in the same field.
If a horse is at all aggressive, a llama can be seriously injured. If
your horses are gentle and tolerant (and if kept successfully with
goats, that's a good indicator), then it works OK.

If you have female goats, don't get an intact male llama, as he can be
stimulated to try to breed them, with bad results for the goats. A
gelded male or a female is a better choice.

Susan G
Post by George
Hi Randy,
I've always wanted a Llama to share the pasture with my 2 horses and 2
goats. I don't know if they would accept a llama because they are so
spoiled. What do you think?
Andrea in Indiana
s***@gmail.com
2010-07-17 08:07:38 UTC
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Post by George
Hi Randy,
I've always wanted a Llama to share the pasture with my 2 horses and 2
goats.  I don't know if they would accept a llama because they are so
spoiled.  What do you think?
Andrea in Indiana
I don't like horses and llamas together.
Although many horses are afraid of llamas,
I tend to worry about horses behavior, even
in play. A kick from a horse could be lethal
for a llama. Some folks have no problem
with them being together. FWIW, I have
had horses for 44 years and I wouldn't
do it. Llamas also need another llama
for company. You will need to be
vigilant about parasites affecting your llamas,
Goats are considered little parasite factories.
Susan R
Randy
2010-07-18 00:08:14 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
Post by George
Hi Randy,
I've always wanted a Llama to share the pasture with my 2 horses and 2
goats.  I don't know if they would accept a llama because they are so
spoiled.  What do you think?
Andrea in Indiana
I don't like horses and llamas together.
Although many horses are afraid of llamas,
I tend to worry about horses behavior, even
in play.  A kick from a horse could be lethal
for a llama.  Some folks have no problem
with them being together.  FWIW, I have
had horses for 44 years and I wouldn't
do it.  Llamas also need another llama
for company.  You will need to be
vigilant about parasites affecting your llamas,
Goats are considered little parasite factories.
Susan R
What everyone else said.

Randy

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